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Post by DarKmaN on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:09 am

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by mountguitars on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:36 am

first thing i noticed about my lyric is how skinny the arch is. grabe, mas mataba pa yung arch ng reba ko. what the **** is rockshox doing to their forks? buti na lang 130 lbs lang ako, hehehe.

im thinking if they cant outperform fox, ang gagawin na lang nila magpagaang sila but they are sacrificing stiffness, performance and even durability. even rockshox's adjustment knobs are not sensitive. kahit yun na lang pagandahin nila eh. they are miles away from this department when compared to fox. pihit ka na pihit sa knobs pero parang walang nagbabago. sa fox, ramdam mo kagad. rebound knob lang ang medyo ok sa rockshox.

rockshox boxxer 35mm vs 40mm ng fox. san ka pa?

ang mahal lang kasi ng fox eh. bwiset.
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by Tolits on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:59 am

the crash was pretty bad that it broke the bike's frame as well...not so many people will think that its a structural design flaw.

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by DarKmaN on Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:48 pm

Rider error yan malamang... looks like a very high speed crash..

But still what's worrisome is the fact na bumigay agad yung components..yung boxxer malamang bibigay talaga..by the looks of it (speculating sa pic) kahit anong for pa nakalagay bibigay talaga...

Pero yung session? On what looks like a relatively flat finish line? Not inough info from the pic and vid i guess... Gaan kasi eh... hehehe...


On a related note... nagkalat ngayon ang mga taong nasiraan ng 2010 boxxer...bakit kaya? hehehe... here is one link:

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220110

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by evs on Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:04 pm

tama k dyan sir.. maramirami n rin ako nakikitang pix during dh axion eh yong boxxer 2010 bumibigay yong arch.. dapat bigyan pansin agad ng sram co. ang ganitong problemang kumakalat na..

sa session88.. eto ung issue ng karamihan.. light but not beefy sturdy alloy.. in short pinagaan nila ung frame w/o considering the hazardous rugged dh track.. sabi naman ng iba its a race frame kaya ganun..

pero kung iisipin nyo kung kayo sila [manufacturer].. etong uci dh nakikita natin nagpeperform ng maayos yong mga yan..

sa tingin b natin pwedeng settings ang coz kasi pansin ko lng s mga yan eh pag hindi tama yong setting mo.. it might coz u trouble both ways..

basi lng s obserbasyon ko.. kumuha ako ng session 88.. nilgayan nila [manufacturer] ng fox dhx dahil daw dyan n k special tune yong frame..

dyan s pix pansin nyo b.. RS Vivid ang gamit..


kumuha din ako ng boxxer 2010 team.. medyo confusing yong mga settings nya.. until now nasa trial error ako s pagkuha ng tamang settings.. time hard tuning lalo n pag ndi mo tinest s actual trak..

as soon na-test ride ko n.. will u give destruction ride test review..
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Post by mountguitars on Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:39 pm

man, its the same spot where the other fork broke. im pretty sure rockshox botched up the 2010 boxxer forks, hehehe. What a Face







that is so pathetic. that part is so elementary. sobrang nipis ng ginawa nila, hehehe. What a Face

nice going fox. you've pushed the envelope of engineering way too far for the other for manufacturers to keep up, hehehe. What a Face
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by righteous one on Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:50 pm

that's a heavy price in lightening things. Very Happy
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by jaymz on Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:02 pm

jon, baka nasakal ng zip tie. Suspect

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by DarKmaN on Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:08 pm

Hintayin na lang natin ang ride report ni master EVS... tutal he has both!!!! hanep!!!


Oo nga papa..yung Session sa sobrang gaan eh parang FRO na ang dating... and true it is performing very well right now... consistent sa UCI...which really should be the benchmark...


unlike the Intense 951 na hindi na maitago ang problema... laking sakit sa ulo para sa intense ito... Kalit na kalat na yung problem...

After first few races sa UCIs eason eh pansin niyo lahat ng Intense Facory riders bumailk sa M6... it has been reported sa ibang forums na Kovarik has been suffering from massive bottoming out... repalced it with the stiffest fox spring (600lb) at bottom pa din... may mali daw sa linkage..parang masyadong active...

Sana hindi 951 gamit ni "the Palm" sa bromont nung nag DNF siya..kung hindi lalo lang lalaki ang issue..hehehe..

Kaya idol ko si EVS eh, first edition pa lang ng session tiwala agad...buti na lang hindi 951 kinuha mo kay Israel..hahehehe
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by mountguitars on Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:29 pm

jaymz wrote:jon, baka nasakal ng zip tie. Suspect

nyahahaha. yung nga daw yung sabi dun sa kabilang forum na pinagkunan ko nitong pic eh.

pero mukang may bubbles ng koti sa loob ng bakal. mukang defect sa casting nung arch/lower legs. so dapat asikasuhin ng rockshox yung quality and control nila. di maganda, hehehe.
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by ATO on Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:14 pm

from recently concluded Rd. 7 UCI DH at Bromont, Canada

Same Scenario?





reported din na broken boxxer fork arc....
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by yetiman on Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:18 pm

ang matindi dyan...psychological! Di ka maka-all out upak sa mga components na yan coz in the back of your mind it's gonna break!!!!

Naka-praning sa karera pag may iniinda ka sa mga pyesa mo while going for the win....

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by mountguitars on Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:52 pm

i understand parts that break. its natural. syempre sumemplang ka eh. but to have that same part break all the time means one thing: a flaw in the design or construction.

pwede namang yung upper or lower legs ang mabali di ba? or yung drop outs nung fork pero kung yung arch lagi yung nasisira, well, good luck, hehehe.

parang yung mga thompson na stem, hehehe. What a Face . tapos, ang tagal pa ng warranty, hehehe. What a Face FAIL!
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by ATO on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:24 pm

add ko lng...

napapansin ko lang sa mga pictures ng breakage ng fork, lalo n sa DH..mostly talaga bumibigay is ung arc nya...yan yung weakest link...

yung zoki 888 '08 ng ksama namin, last leg ng FOX DH Philippines sa Grotto...sumemplang sya OTB...sa arc din bumigay, malapit sa seal....
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by righteous one on Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:00 pm

i agree with sir ATO.
saw dozen of different dh forks with broken arch in the net.
PinkBike

downhill mtb is considered an extreme sports, so it's normal to break things. Very Happy
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by Tolits on Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:28 am

i'm no engineer but i've been thinking, a crash at tremendous speed with the front hitting at an angle like that...with the amount of force trying to twist the fork, something is gonna give...it's just a question of where.

naalala ko yung isang crash ko, na halos natangal yung front wheel (QR ito kasi XC).. di kaya may kinalaman rin yung thru axle system...that's so sturdy, wala syang ibibigay kaya lahat maa-absorb ng arch...they should have strengthen that area (arch) too.
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by iano16 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:22 am



pansin nyo at the back of the arch is may mga hollow tabs to reduce weight. Yung earlier boxxer wala nito as in solid talaga.
Sayang, gusto ko pa naman ng 2010 boxxer. Wait na lang ako ng 2011, kung may changes.... Crying or Very sad

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by jaymz on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:24 am

and i thought the arch of zokes are thin & weak... hindi pala.... Wink

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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by ATO on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:31 am

iano16 wrote:

pansin nyo at the back of the arch is may mga hollow tabs to reduce weight. Yung earlier boxxer wala nito as in solid talaga.
Sayang, gusto ko pa naman ng 2010 boxxer. Wait na lang ako ng 2011, kung may changes.... Crying or Very sad

just to add din sa post si sir ian,

'08 WC Boxxer



eto po ang arch ng 08' zoki 888



eto nman sa pax40 na '07 / '08



malapad sila, compare sa new boxxer


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Post by mountguitars on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:41 am

ito ang solution para di masira yung arch, hehehe. What a Face



hehehe. kaya itong manitou na bankrupt eh, hehehe. What a Face
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by ATO on Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:54 am

sabi ng mga nakausap ko regarding sa inverted fork like durado o yung white brother ba yun..

parang nagtwitwist daw..isa n sa nagsabi si joey b..

nakita ko minsan si fafa yetiman, nka durado nung race sa head for the heals....fafa, inputs nman regarding sa personal experience mo sa inverted forks
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by jaymz on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:00 am

wala kayo dito! sugapa sa arch! cheers


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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by Ako on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:10 am

ano na nga ba nagyari sa manitou dorado? dati andami ko nakikita na ganyan dati (international dh races, sa video ha), ang alam ko naging number 1 dh race fork pa yan... tapos gumawa sila ng carbon na dorado.... then parang nawala. is this fork still in production? if not, baket? i regularly check the manitou site-ilang years ko na hindi nakikita yung dorado... medyo hindi ako masyado updated sa ganyan e... hehehe.
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Post by Ako on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:22 am

ay... meron na pala uli dorado... pero bat ang tagal nya nawala?
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by mountguitars on Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:24 am

Sir Cycko Taba wrote:ano na nga ba nagyari sa manitou dorado? dati andami ko nakikita na ganyan dati (international dh races, sa video ha), ang alam ko naging number 1 dh race fork pa yan... tapos gumawa sila ng carbon na dorado.... then parang nawala. is this fork still in production? if not, baket? i regularly check the manitou site-ilang years ko na hindi nakikita yung dorado... medyo hindi ako masyado updated sa ganyan e... hehehe.

they made a carbon fiber version of the dorado. tapos ang usapan. hehehe. mukang ayaw ng kumita ng pera ng manitou, hehehe.

in fairness, yung XC fork nilang R7 na lang nila ang medyo nananalo sa mga races like the last adrenaline 24hrs race, gamit nung rider R7.
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Post by evs on Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:21 pm

s session 88 tama darkman its for FRO frame.. they made it light so accept d consequence.. so ingat lng talaga.. dapat lng kasi ang mahal..

s boxxer.. sram dapat gawa sila solution same location ng arc damage.. yez weak ung area n un.. i hope sana s akin ndi.. ang mahal eh.. for next yr may improvement n yan arc..

doon s pix posted ni ato.. unang pix.. coz ng failure eh wheelset.. buti n lng ndi ako nag dt..

s inverted forks.. yez prone s twist @ un-stable daw [flexy s turn].. no idea dun s gawa ng foes [inverted fork din sila].. mukhang matibay un kasi ang laki kya laki din presyo..
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Post by evs on Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:57 am

kagabi habang binubuo ko ung bike ko s kwarto.. pinagmamasdan ko ung arc ng boxxer.. why, bakit, paano, what.. 330am n naka sleep pale

pansin ko lng ung area kung san naglalagay ng zip tie.. kita s pix.. ung part n yan may tendency n bibigay.. lalo kung hindi maganda ung endo landing.. ang arc ng 2010 boxxer sa tingin ko lng kahit gawin nilang solid ung area n yan bibigay p rin dahil s impact.. medyo manipis eh.. ung engineering contruction nyan dapat e-beefy konti.. wag n nilang isipin n mababawasan o madagdagan ung weight.. habol dapat nila dito ung safety opcors riders syempre.. so dapat ung area n yan patibayin dahil prone sa successive impacts..

eto ung sram.. paramihin muna nila ang ganyan problema tsaka nila review ung engineering construction then yon na..

[quote="iano16"]

question; bakit s uci dh ckt eh ala masyadong ganyan issues..

sagot.. mga pro riders n yon.. tsaka hindi papayagan ng sram magkalat ng issues n ganun kasi lagi sila present s karera.. ayaw nila ma-media.. in short pag damage ung boxxer mo.. naka abang n agad sila s u.. palit agad ng bago..
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Post by mountguitars on Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:13 pm

honga, nabasa ko sa mga forums abroad na kapag may lumabas na bagong generation na mga rockshox, wag muna bibili sa unang taon, hehehe. What a Face

at ang rock shox boxxer ngayun ang may pinaka maliit na diameter ng stanctions sa DH forks ngayun:

fox = 40mm
marzocchi 888 = 38mm
manitou dorado = 36mm
rockshox boxxer = 35mm

sobrang pagpapagaang nila, pati yung arch tinipid nila, hehehe. What a Face
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Post by evs on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:32 pm

malamng maglalabas ang sram ng boxxer recall.. depending s serial/code ######.. if talagang they found out n itong serial/code n 'to may engineering contruction material defects.. No
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Re: The all new session 88 and boxxer!

Post by evs on Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:14 pm

nabuo ko n rin s wakas ang session88 with boxxer team 2010..

how pakiramdam d takbo.. [patag roadie padyak p lng]

session88.. ibang klase.. maganda ung centering mo s frame.. no bob.. kayang sumabay s AM bikes.. below sub 35lbs achievable.. very stable.. eto un.. ibang klase kasi may balance ung bike.. happy owner ng trek session88.. no regrets.. its light.. can pedal uphill.. eto pa.. ndi ko n kailangan magpaporter s patiis cheers

boxxer team 2010.. konting tuning pa kasi s patag ko p lng sya ginamit..
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